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4/11/07, 5:48pm
Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Don Imus? I have never been a listener to his show....I think I first became aware of who he was when they characterized him in a very unfavorable grumpy premodonna light in Howard Stern's movie several years ago. I have flipped by his show a time or two without much pause. Somehow I seem to have been made aware of some charitable work that he has sponsored....it seemed like a very special project that seem to stand in contrast to the mental picture of who I thought he was.

I have heard of the comments he made. Shallow comments directed at a small group of individuals involved in a very special athletic and academic endeavor. I understand that those comments must have been very hurtful and humiliating. If I were a member of that team or a parent of a team member I think I would be very outraged and angry and hurt.

Somehow I feel empathy toward all that are involved in this case. I feel so badly for the young ladies that were the subject of those remarks. I feel for the parents of those young ladies and the friends and relatives. I feel for Rutgers University and its student body and alumni. I also have empathy for Don himself.

I am watching a man's life work crumble around him. Sponsors pulling their sponsorship, networks ditching his program. I see Imus with his hat in hand begging for forgiveness and appoligizing vehemenetly. I don't think he can ever undo the hurt that he has caused....I think he may be facing a collapse of everything he has ever accomplished.

My question is this. When does the word forgiveness come into play....as a parent or a team member, when do you say, "Don, I am hurt by your comments. I am very angry and want to kick your butt and I think you deserve that fate....but instead,....I am going to accept your appology. I hope you have learned your lesson. Don't let it happen again. Appology accepted."?

Immus as a token of his remorse might offer a scholarship in the name of the 2006-2007 Lady Rutger's basketball team to honor their accomplishments and perhaps invite them to be guests on his show........or perhaps perhaps Imus should be strung up from the nearest light pole and pelted with stones.

I hope we all can learn a lesson from what has happened here. I would like to see us clean up the English language. There should be no tolerance for any racial slurs by anybody regardless of race. There should be zero tolerance for using language and calling people fags, dykes, ragheads, gooks, ho's, niggas, pimps, honkys or any other racial or gender oriented slurs. I think I recall from the Howard Stern movie that certain words are not allowed to be broadcast...perhaps that list should be expanded perhaps going as far as making the utterance of such words a misdemeanor offense.....but then we are eroding our civil rights by limiting our freedom of speech.

I don't know any answers here. In some ways I am grateful for the outrage...I don't think it needs to end with Imus. I think maybe we should take a look around at other offenders and we might take a step forward as a blended culture. I find myself offended by much of the language that we seem to accept in our pop culture. I would like to see more people express outrage at those that capitalize on expressing ugliness. I seem to recall that Bill Cosby was recently ostracized by many of the current stone throwers for making a similar observation reference cleaning up pop culture in the not too distant past.

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4/11/07, 9:06pm
Good post Robert!

I agree with you. For one, racial slurs of any kind, by any race, or any gender should not be tolerated. There is still a double standard in this country that drives me insane. I can't stand it when black people call each other "niggers". If I white person does that, they are hung out to dry. The word is bad period. If black people don't like white people calling them a "nigger", then for God's sake don't call each other that word. It doesn't matter who says it. The word is bad. The same can be said for any racial slur, or slur that is meant to be hurtful. If a slur is hurtful towards anyone, than the slur(word) should not be used by anybody. No excuses.

I also agree with you about cleaning up the English language. It has become much too slang & slurred. This is an English speaking country.

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4/12/07, 7:31am (Last Edited: 4/12/07, 7:32am)
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I'm relatively intolerant of backlash like this when it clearly was nothing more than a joke, however bad one might view it. It is no different than most any other comedic performance that you might find on Def Comedy Jam or somewhere similar.

If this came out of the mouth of a black man, there would have been no notice.

The point Imus was making (I believe) is that these were some tough, not very attractive, thuggish looking ladies on the Rutgers team. Using rap "gangspeak," he referred to them as "nappy headed hos."

He should have that right. Advertisers should have the right to jump ship. He should be fired if it hurts the profitability of the companies involved.

HOWEVER, what bothers me most is that there are people like Al Sharpton out there who will blow things like this out of proportion. It is a shame.

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4/12/07, 9:36am (Last Edited: 4/12/07, 9:36am)
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Hi, Robert,

I agree with you.

What interests me about this is the indignation that both Sharpton and Jesse jackson have expressed. How quickly they forget their hurtful comments they once made about the Jewish community.

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4/12/07, 2:53pm
>The word is bad period.

There is no such thing as a bad word. A word is just a string of letters put together in some kind of order. It only has a bad meaning or connotation when someone decides it does in their own mind, whether by using the word with the intent to insult or whether deciding to be insulted by someone else's usage of it.

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4/12/07, 2:57pm
>HOWEVER, what bothers me most is that there are people like Al
>Sharpton out there who will blow things like this out of
>proportion. It is a shame.

I couldn't agree more.

I think it was yesterday that I saw on the news where they reported that some woman on the team is now claiming she has been "scarred for life" because of this incident.

Oh, puh-lease! Give me a break!

Oh, and for the record, I never even heard of Imus until this incident, and I still have no idea who he is.

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4/12/07, 6:18pm
That is the first time I have seen/heard the dialog. I am amazed....That is what all of the fuss is about! Holy Cow! Someone says they are scared for life over that?! Some people need to grow up. If a comment like that can scar you, then you must live a sheltered life. Does that comment justify a man's firing? A man who's efforts at appology have fallen on deaf, unforgiving ears? The man's career has fallen in ruin over an ill thought out remark. That is tough.

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Don Imus and Imus Ranch
4/13/07, 11:19pm (Last Edited: 4/13/07, 11:21pm)
I was curious about the charity work that Imus was involved in with the recent media blitz and my own comments on the subject. I found this article interesting regarding the Imus Ranch.

http://www.americanprofile.com/article/4870.html

Taking from this article I guess maybe Imus is something of an idealist....and a dreamer...that I think we have in common. He has spent several million on this dream of a ranch and helping children. Maybe there are other ways that that much money could be used to help more kids but it seems to me worthy of the expense....I know that there are other charities that spend much more than that without doing much good at all.

I for one admire the way that Don and Deidra Imus have handled the storm. I saw an interview with Diedra after the meeting with the Rutger's Team and she mentioned that hate mail had been sent to the Lady Rutgers Team. She asked that people not send hate mail...that if they needed to send hate mail that they should direct it at her husband and not the team. I thought that was a mighty bold way of taking responsibility. As a matter of fact I think Imus has stood mighty big through all of this. He denied nothing and attempted to meet with everyone affected to ask forgiveness and make ammends and has accepted full responsibility for all of his actions. I wish more people in public life we follow his lead.

I am glad to learn that the Lady Rutgers Team has accepted his appology....now the healing can begin. I think that was the right thing to do and I have to respect that they took a perceived slap to the face and I think it showed a level of maturity and class to confront, communicate, vent and finally to accept the offered appology. I wish the world could settle more disputes in similar fashion.

I felt like his remark was off the cuff and was not meant to cause the harm that it did...on the other hand I felt like his remorse and attempts at appology were very sincere. At the start of all of this I really did not know much about who the man was. As the episode comes to a close I find I have gained a level of respect for the man that Don Imus is.

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Re: Don Imus and Imus Ranch
4/14/07, 1:22am (Last Edited: 4/14/07, 2:29am)
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Thank you Robert, as eloquent as ever.

His words were as you said "off the cuff". sometimes "off the cuff" remarks are not very well thought out.

Who among us has not said things which as we said them, we wish the words would be "collected back", to our mouths.
His show has been on the air for at least 30 years.
He is an "East coast icon", however "West coast people" had to be looking at the "simulcast" on Msnbc, to see/hear the broadcast., it came on here at 6.a.m

A very "stupid" thing to say,--- however--- he has benefited mankind with his ENORMOUS contributions to , mostly Childrens charities, has made HUGE sums of money for the sponsors of his shows,(as well as himself), they "now pull the plug.

His main accusers seem to be "the usual gang", I.E. Sharpton and Jackson, how hypocritical these people are. One can not forget Sharptons attempt to destroy others, in the false accusations, and "Made up" rape of one Tawana Brawley, Jacksons reference of New York as "Hymie Town", yet they are given a "free ride".

The remarks of Imus were rascist, and stupid, however I do believe he wishes" he could collect them back in to his mouth.

Most of us sometimes make stupid remarks, we do not have "a live microphone, and audience listening., one can say that such a person in that position should be aware of what they are saying, again , we are human beings, and are prone to human frailties, one of those frailties is that SOMETIMES, we say stupid things, not all of us have a national audience present when we "emit idiocy".

Black people are NOT immune from making rascist remarks, we ALL as a part of this human race are capable of making "Rascist remarks", Most of us try Not to, because it is not right.

I believe that "knowingly" supporting "race hate", as in the case of "Brawley", (as Sharpton did for his own self aggrandisement, and furthering his political career), is unconscionable.

I believe that references such as "Hymietown" tell us what the Revd. Jackson really thinks., yet they continue to be immune from critisism, the National media seems to be "scared stiff", as to holding them accountable for "THEIR idiotic statements.

They "continue to feed at the "public trough", they enrich themselves by convincing others that "Their lot in life", has nothing to do with what they do for themselves, but has EVERY THING to do with what others are doing to them.
In so doing they continue to enrich themselves at the expense of those very same people.

The statements Imus made offended , and one can understand why.,

I do believe this has been "blown out of proportion".

This subject has been discussed on the "local media", the past couple of days, some of the conversation has referred to the "Rap"---"So called, music industry"---

Why is it O'K for these "so called musicians" to profit on mostly denigrating Women, this denigration is more blatant and VILE than one could imagine, Women are constantly referred to as "Bitches" and "Hos", VERY UGLY words, yet this language is becoming "used to" as being the "norm"., the "N" word is in "every line", a VERY UGLY word, because it is very offensive to so many., and is NOT necessary to use., if people stopped using it, in a couple of generations it would disapear.,---what is wrong with using "The English language.

I have used this forum to state my belief that how we use language is important, and have been critisised, that is why in school we have "English" classes, why use "slang deliberately", why mispronounce deliberately??

On this subject I disagree with Thomas Canty, language can sometimes be mis-used, it is NOT O'K to use language to do harm or hurt, language can not be legislated as to it's use, we are free to speak, language IS communication, it changes all the time., but we are responsible as to how we use it.

It is NOT NECESSARY to OFFEND.

One can be offended by many things on "the air", (Nothing offends me,)because I have developed a "very thick skin" to combat said "unecessary statements)," , but if it did I would not "run to the nearest protection agency, to get the "said offender, Fired".

On the subject of "bad taste, broadcasting," we KNOW that 3000 plus "innocents" died when "Whacko Fascist Moslems" flew planes in to "Skyscrapers" and comitted MURDER ., When T.V. person O.Donnell says that was perpetrated by the U.S. Govt., A.B.C. and the rest of the media , is silent.

When T.V. person O'Donnell says Iran is a friendly nation and WE are "the Villain", A.B.C. and the rest of the media is silent.

When T.V. person O'Donnell says the man "Who sawed off" Daniel Pearls head is an innocent man, "WHAT THE HELL",(good English terminology), (I could have said "WHAT ON EARTH", but the former is more appropriate for her), IS SAID "BiT-c-H Ho--"O'Donnell doing spouting viscious propaganda EVERY DAY on the air, and Imus is "out of work".

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4/14/07, 3:33am
Through all of this I keep asking the questions, "What if it were me?" "What if I made a comment in a public forum that hurt someone?" I also asked the question, "What if I were the one affected by such a comment?" To answer those questions I ask myself "How would I handle the situation?"

I am not immune to making idiotic statements. I am not immune from having my comments misconstrued. Looking at this I can identify with Imus and I feel that everything that has happened to him is regrettable. I see no malice or intent to hurt in the context of his words.

I can also identify with the Rutgers team. I have had recent cause to review some hurtful if not harmful words spoken of me. I don't blame the speaker as I feel the words were true from the speaker's perspective. From my perspective, and I might add the true perspective, because the speaker's words were speculative, nothing could be further from the truth. So in a sense, I have been there too. The ironic thing is relating to this incident, I remember a situation where the speaker in question was criticized for his/her actions where perception was much different than reality.

We all make mistakes in life and we can all find ourselves cast in an unfavorable light. I think we need to keep that in mind when we cast judgement upon others.

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