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Thomas Canty
Last week's trip
7/16/06, 4:53am
The pictures from my trip are up now. This gallery may not appeal to many people, though. It's mostly photos from cemeteries. I did make it to Yosemite though, and there are a few from there. If you want to skip the cemetery pictures and go straight to Yosemite, use this URL: http://www.ldphotography.net/Travel/20060704-06/sli
des/Yosemite%20041.html
-- there are a few more cemetery pictures after Yosemite, but you can just stop when you get to those if you want. To see the whole gallery, start here: http://www.ldphotography.net/Travel/20060704-06/

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7/16/06, 9:53am
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Cool!

I'll go check them out.

By the way, there was an article in the L.A. Times yesterday about the old Mission San Juan Capistrano Cemetary. It's been protected by the developers of an industrial park in the area. You should be able to find the article online at latimes.com

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7/16/06, 10:00am
>By the way, there was an article in the L.A. Times yesterday
>about the old Mission San Juan Capistrano Cemetary. It's been
>protected by the developers of an industrial park in the area.

Wouldn't the mission cemeteries be protected anyway as state landmarks?

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7/16/06, 3:06pm
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>>By the way, there was an article in the L.A. Times yesterday
>>about the old Mission San Juan Capistrano Cemetary. It's
>been
>>protected by the developers of an industrial park in the
>area.
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>Wouldn't the mission cemeteries be protected anyway as state
>landmarks?

I would imagine so. I do know they said its about two miles from the Mission, which sounded odd to me. The dveeloper built new walls around it and some other improvements, I guess.

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7/16/06, 9:26pm
Yosemite is so awesome! Thanks for the TR and the pics...it is such a magical place.

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7/22/06, 8:42pm
>>Wouldn't the mission cemeteries be protected anyway as state
>>landmarks?
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>I would imagine so. I do know they said its about two miles
>from the Mission, which sounded odd to me. The dveeloper built
>new walls around it and some other improvements, I guess.

Doesn't sound like it's actually the Mission's cemetery, then. I've been to several of them, and the cemetery belonging to the Mission is always right there next to the chapel.

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7/22/06, 8:44pm
>Yosemite is so awesome! Thanks for the TR and the pics...it
>is such a magical place.

Yes, it sure is. It was nice to see Glacier Point without half the park on fire. Last time, there was so much smoke in the air, the whole place was dark and everything looked yellow/orange from the haze. The air was nice and clear this time.

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7/24/06, 8:25am
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>>I would imagine so. I do know they said its about two miles
>>from the Mission, which sounded odd to me. The dveeloper
>built
>>new walls around it and some other improvements, I guess.
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>Doesn't sound like it's actually the Mission's cemetery, then.
>I've been to several of them, and the cemetery belonging to
>the Mission is always right there next to the chapel.

That's always been my experience too.

I've read conflicting reports about the "Lone Woman of San Nicholas Island's" grave. All accounts say she is buried at Santa Barbara Mission, but some say the grave is unmarked. Have you ever heard anything about that?

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7/24/06, 10:20am
>I've read conflicting reports about the "Lone Woman of San
>Nicholas Island's" grave. All accounts say she is buried at
>Santa Barbara Mission, but some say the grave is unmarked.
>Have you ever heard anything about that?

Now that you mention it, I seem to remember reading a book two or three years ago that said she is buried in an unmarked grave in Santa Barbara, but I don't remember it specifically saying she was in the mission cemetery.

I photographed all of the graves in the Santa Barbara Mission Cemetery and chapel in 2003. I don't have them online yet, but I just did a quick search through what I have, then another search on the web for a refresher on the story. Using the info from this page (which does say she's in the mission cemetery), http://tinyurl.com/gfmjd -- and what I found in my own archives, I think it's just a misunderstanding.

According to that web page, Juana Maria (the name given to her by the mission padres) died in 1853, seven weeks after she was found. In my archives, I have a picture of a marker from the cemetery for a Juana Maria Arrellanes, wife of Francisco Arrellanes. She died in 1858. Maybe someone saw the similar names, mistook that 8 for a 3 and the rumor mill went with it...

Makes sense to me. I've seen more than enough things like that happen to make it very plausible. With all the misinformation on the Internet it's hard to do any reliable research, and many people don't even bother to try. That's why I let Diana do all that kind of work on the people in the Pioneer Graves section of my website. She's damn good at it, and I'm just too lazy... LOL

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7/24/06, 3:14pm (Last Edited: 7/24/06, 3:22pm)
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Hi Lon,

Thanks for looking that up.

The marked grave is most likely someone else's. The Indian woman lived only seven weeks after she arrived in Santa Barbara. She was christened Juana Maria on her death bed as a result of Mrs. Nedever's pleas to the Franciscan Fathers at the Mission.

I am currently reading an excellent paper publiched by the University of California on the subject of the "Lone Woman". There's some very interesting accounts in there.

One of the web sites I found states that she was buried in the same unmarked mass grave at the Mission where most of the Mission Indians ended up. I'm not sure her burial in 1853 fits the timeline or not. The web site also indicates she was forced from the Island, but I've never read any substaniating evidence of that.


We know for a fact she was brought to Santa Barbara and lived and died at the Nidever House, which was owned by the captain of the ship that "rescued" her. It makes sense she is buried at the Mission, but who knows where. The Nidever's grew quite fond of the woman and even refused offers to "sell" her to people who wanted to take her to San Fransisco. I would bet they saw to it that she received a proper burial.

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