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Its a tankless Job :)
9/4/05, 10:27am
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We're getting one of these new "tankless" water heaters. My brother in law in Kentucky has been using one for several years now with no problems and he as a 3500 sq. ft. house and four kids!

These are supposed to be more energy effecient and low maintenance. Also, (Muprhy will appreciate this-I remember you guys had a big leak once) because there is no tank, it can't cause a big leak.

Here is a URL for one of the companies that sells it: http://www.e-tankless.com/

We have to replace our old water heater anyway and we are losing the space for the water heater.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/4/05, 12:05pm
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Sounds intriguing...Let us know how it goes. Might be interested too...

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9/5/05, 7:15am
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>We're getting one of these new "tankless" water heaters. My
>brother in law in Kentucky has been using one for several
>years now with no problems and he as a 3500 sq. ft. house and
>four kids!
>
>These are supposed to be more energy effecient and low
>maintenance. Also, (Muprhy will appreciate this-I remember you
>guys had a big leak once) because there is no tank, it can't
>cause a big leak.
>
>Here is a URL for one of the companies that sells it:
>http://www.e-tankless.com/
>
>We have to replace our old water heater anyway and we are
>losing the space for the water heater.

Wow! I looked into those a few years and a few water heaters ago...I found that I LOVED the idea, but hated the prices when compared to a standard water heater on sale at Home Depot. (At the time, it was like 40 bucks for a 40 gal water heater and like 700 bucks for the tankless), so it was...(sorry, I can't help it!) no tanks on the tankless!

I will check out the link you put up...Like I said, I LOVE the idea.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/5/05, 11:37am (Last Edited: 9/5/05, 12:01pm)
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I hear ya. That's a bunch of money. But the problem is, I am losing the area where the existing hot water heat is in the garage, due to the conversion to a classroom/garage. One option was to replace the water heater and cut a hole for a door to the outside for access. This was going to cost more than the tankless!

Besides, that would still place a conventional water heater with the leakage danger near all of Janice's inventory, which is mainly paper.

Actually, the prices are not that far apart. I just checked on Lowes.com and Homedepot.com. 40-50 gal gas water heaters are going for $350-$450. They seem to have tankless ones starting around $550 and up. I am sure the labor to cut the door access, plaster and paint will cost more for us to go the conventional route.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/5/05, 1:20pm (Last Edited: 9/5/05, 1:21pm)
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Hmmmm, now after researching this all morning, I'm leaning towards going the conventional route. Most of the standard units will only heat the water in one shower or a washer at a time, or two sinks at a time. So, if you have someone in the shower and someone else decides to run hot water in a sink, the temp will drop in the shower. They have units that will run two things at a time, but the cost is at least $200 more.

I'd rather get a good new 50 gal gas water heater and have them build a door access to the outside. I have called our contractor to see how much that would be. The price should be similar for both, but at least I'll know that the capacity is there for how we use hot water.

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9/6/05, 8:45am
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>I hear ya. That's a bunch of money. But the problem is, I am
>losing the area where the existing hot water heat is in the
>garage, due to the conversion to a classroom/garage. One
>option was to replace the water heater and cut a hole for a
>door to the outside for access. This was going to cost more
>than the tankless!
>
>Besides, that would still place a conventional water heater
>with the leakage danger near all of Janice's inventory, which
>is mainly paper.
>
>Actually, the prices are not that far apart. I just checked on
>Lowes.com and Homedepot.com. 40-50 gal gas water heaters are
>going for $350-$450. They seem to have tankless ones starting
>around $550 and up. I am sure the labor to cut the door
>access, plaster and paint will cost more for us to go the
>conventional route.
>
A standard hot water heater goes for a LOT less than $350!! You need to do more shopping!

It cost me around a grand..some years ago..to move a hot water heater (and get a new one) to the outside of the house from an inside closet and that included the stupid little metal building that it has to be housed in.

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9/6/05, 8:49am
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>Hmmmm, now after researching this all morning, I'm leaning
>towards going the conventional route. Most of the standard
>units will only heat the water in one shower or a washer at a
>time, or two sinks at a time. So, if you have someone in the
>shower and someone else decides to run hot water in a sink,
>the temp will drop in the shower. They have units that will
>run two things at a time, but the cost is at least $200 more.
>
>
>I'd rather get a good new 50 gal gas water heater and have
>them build a door access to the outside. I have called our
>contractor to see how much that would be. The price should be
>similar for both, but at least I'll know that the capacity is
>there for how we use hot water.

Just to add fuel to the fire, the newest "thing" now is to plumb an extra pipe from your kitchen faucet BACK to the hot water heater. Then, when you want hot water, you hit a button and the water will run back to the hot water heater until it is "hot" for you to use. Saves water and SOME energy I guess.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/6/05, 9:38am
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>A standard hot water heater goes for a LOT less than $350!!
>You need to do more shopping!
>
>It cost me around a grand..some years ago..to move a hot water
>heater (and get a new one) to the outside of the house from an
>inside closet and that included the stupid little metal
>building that it has to be housed in.
>
>

What metal box? Is that a code requirement? We are just cutting a door into the outside wall for access to the water heater.

I'll keep looking at prices. The average seems to be around $350 or so. Maybe Sears has some too.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/7/05, 6:30am
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>>A standard hot water heater goes for a LOT less than $350!!
>>You need to do more shopping!
>>
>>It cost me around a grand..some years ago..to move a hot
>water
>>heater (and get a new one) to the outside of the house from
>an
>>inside closet and that included the stupid little metal
>>building that it has to be housed in.
>>
>>
>
>What metal box? Is that a code requirement? We are just
>cutting a door into the outside wall for access to the water
>heater.
>
>I'll keep looking at prices. The average seems to be around
>$350 or so. Maybe Sears has some too.

I could be wrong, but the last time I looked for a water heater, I found them really INexpensive, but you have to go TO the store (like Home Depot) because for some reason, they hardly ever advertise the cheap ones. Also, you mau have to settle for a size a bit larger or a bit smaller depending on what they have on sale.

As to cutting the door...I would ask your contractor about the code thingy. In our case in our old house, the hot water heater had to live outside, litterally. Right on the side of the house. So we had to get this metal building to house it in. I don't know about your circumstances but your contractor should be able to help you on that front.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/7/05, 9:31am
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Hi, Bill,

Ok, I can picture that. No, we are simply using the same space, just dry-walling the front of the space in the garage and cutting a hole in the outside wall for a door for access to the water heater.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/7/05, 4:05pm
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>We're getting one of these new "tankless" water heaters. My
>brother in law in Kentucky has been using one for several
>years now with no problems and he as a 3500 sq. ft. house and
>four kids!
>
>These are supposed to be more energy effecient and low
>maintenance. Also, (Muprhy will appreciate this-I remember you
>guys had a big leak once) because there is no tank, it can't
>cause a big leak.
>
>Here is a URL for one of the companies that sells it:
>http://www.e-tankless.com/
>
>We have to replace our old water heater anyway and we are
>losing the space for the water heater.


Wow! Can your brother in law wash dishes...clothes and take a shower all at once or is there some adjustments that have to be made?

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/7/05, 4:11pm
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>Hmmmm, now after researching this all morning, I'm leaning
>towards going the conventional route. Most of the standard
>units will only heat the water in one shower or a washer at a
>time, or two sinks at a time. So, if you have someone in the
>shower and someone else decides to run hot water in a sink,
>the temp will drop in the shower. They have units that will
>run two things at a time, but the cost is at least $200 more.
>
>
>I'd rather get a good new 50 gal gas water heater and have
>them build a door access to the outside. I have called our
>contractor to see how much that would be. The price should be
>similar for both, but at least I'll know that the capacity is
>there for how we use hot water.


Sure sounded good at first look huh.

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9/7/05, 4:13pm
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>Just to add fuel to the fire, the newest "thing" now is to
>plumb an extra pipe from your kitchen faucet BACK to the hot
>water heater. Then, when you want hot water, you hit a button
>and the water will run back to the hot water heater until it
>is "hot" for you to use. Saves water and SOME energy I guess.
>
Oh puhleese! I can wait the couple seconds for the water to heat up or put on the tea kettle!

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/7/05, 4:15pm
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>Hi, Bill,
>
>Ok, I can picture that. No, we are simply using the same
>space, just dry-walling the front of the space in the garage
>and cutting a hole in the outside wall for a door for access
>to the water heater.


Just as a precaution you could get one of those inexpensive devices that senses moisture and sounds an alarm.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/7/05, 4:19pm
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>>Hi, Bill,
>>
>>Ok, I can picture that. No, we are simply using the same
>>space, just dry-walling the front of the space in the garage
>>and cutting a hole in the outside wall for a door for access
>>to the water heater.
>
>
>Just as a precaution you could get one of those inexpensive
>devices that senses moisture and sounds an alarm.

That sounds like an excellent idea. Especially considering the fact that all that will separate 50 gallons of water from who know how much worth of scrapbook supplies is some drywall.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/8/05, 5:27am
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>>>Hi, Bill,
>>>
>>>Ok, I can picture that. No, we are simply using the same
>>>space, just dry-walling the front of the space in the
>garage
>>>and cutting a hole in the outside wall for a door for
>access
>>>to the water heater.
>>
>>
>>Just as a precaution you could get one of those inexpensive
>>devices that senses moisture and sounds an alarm.
>
>That sounds like an excellent idea. Especially considering the
>fact that all that will separate 50 gallons of water from who
>know how much worth of scrapbook supplies is some drywall.

They also make a "pan" that the water heater can sit in, so if it leaks, the water goes into the pan and not onto the floor where it can creep into other areas. Worth looking into..the pans don't cost much.

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Re: Its a tankless Job :)
9/8/05, 9:43am
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>They also make a "pan" that the water heater can sit in, so if
>it leaks, the water goes into the pan and not onto the floor
>where it can creep into other areas. Worth looking into..the
>pans don't cost much.

That's another excellent idea. Thanks Bill!

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