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Message #2024 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date All murphy brown   Pro and Cons of Vista 1/30/07, 7:52am What have you heard? Is it really better or would you stick to what you've got? -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2024 • Back to Topics

Message #2025 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Larry Levy   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/30/07, 8:34am >What have you heard? Is it really better or would you stick to >what you've got? Stick to what you have for now. Let them work out the bugs, and more importantly, let other software and hardware companies see how their stuff plays with it. I plan to wait at least a year, probably more. -------------------------------------------------------- " I lift up mine eyes to the hills, whence cometh my help.", Psalm 121 -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2025 • Back to Topics

Message #2026 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Rob Reed   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/30/07, 2:40pm Definitely what Larry said. Looks good from what I have seen... I still prefer my Mac. -------------------------------------------------------- "Treat the Earth not as if it was given to you by your parents, but as if it was lent to you by your children." - Kenyan Proverb "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2026 • Back to Topics

Message #2027 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown zhakee   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 2:56pm I think I will avoid it. I dislike the entire concept of a computer doing the censoring of material. Big brother is already looking over our shoulders, and I do not like the idea of the computer making decisions. Sony, with it's copywrite software already did harm to lots of computers out there, and from what I've read, screwed things up for many people playing legit copies. I will not buy vista, at all, as I don't trust it to not do just what sony's program meddling did. I'll move to a different operating system before buying it. -------------------------------------------------------- Living close to nature. http://sierra-nevada-ramblings.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2027 • Back to Topics

Message #2028 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Rob Reed Rob Reed   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 4:03pm And, on the issue of Vista vs. Mac, take a look at this video (has a preview of Vista). Funny stuff. -------------------------------------------------------- "Treat the Earth not as if it was given to you by your parents, but as if it was lent to you by your children." - Kenyan Proverb "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2028 • Back to Topics

Message #2029 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Rob Reed saundrabeach   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 4:20pm (Last Edited: 1/31/07, 4:21pm) Thank you Rob. Funny for sure, but I bet you don't remember when there was a gas station at all four corners of a given block. Different companies. Don't know why that stopped, but then Arco was then called Richfield when I was 17. Yes I know, tons of years ago...OMG! It is fair game rather than rip off, I think. I won't change until you advise me to though, as you are "da computer master of the family" lol Huffing and puffing to stay abreast of state of the art technology. Whew, I cannot blink day to day or I fall behind.I was near 40 when I started computering... and that was with your help, as you know! Whew. -------------------------------------------------------- TREAT OTHERS LIKE YOU WANT TO BE TREATED WELCOME EACH NEW DAY! Just When Your Children Are Fit To Live With, They Are Living With Someone Else! -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2029 • Back to Topics

Message #2030 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown zhakee   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 5:14pm Here's a link to a site with some good commentary on Vista by users: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2088329,00.asp and here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2087931,00.asp -------------------------------------------------------- Living close to nature. http://sierra-nevada-ramblings.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2030 • Back to Topics

Message #2031 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Larry Levy murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 7:42pm >>What have you heard? Is it really better or would you stick >to >>what you've got? > >Stick to what you have for now. Let them work out the bugs, >and more importantly, let other software and hardware >companies see how their stuff plays with it. I plan to wait at >least a year, probably more. Good idea Larry......Thanks for the input.... -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2031 • Back to Topics

Message #2032 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Rob Reed murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 7:43pm >Definitely what Larry said. Looks good from what I have >seen... I still prefer my Mac. Mac? Have you always had a Mac? Boo hiss....... -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2032 • Back to Topics

Message #2033 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date zhakee murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 7:47pm >I think I will avoid it. I dislike the entire concept of a >computer doing the censoring of material. Big brother is >already looking over our shoulders, and I do not like the idea >of the computer making decisions. Sony, with it's copywrite >software already did harm to lots of computers out there, and >from what I've read, screwed things up for many people playing >legit copies. I will not buy vista, at all, as I don't trust >it to not do just what sony's program meddling did. I'll move >to a different operating system before buying it. I probably will too. Im of the opinion if it aint broke why fix it sort of. Like buying an iPod.....It really intrigues me but guess what? They tweaked the software so that you cant do anything with the music you buy but send it to THEIR product to listen to it. Correct me if Im wrong here folks. -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2033 • Back to Topics

Message #2034 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Rob Reed murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 7:50pm So do you have the Mac OS X? -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2034 • Back to Topics

Message #2035 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date zhakee murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 1/31/07, 7:54pm Okay Im convinced! Unless I buy a new computer with this on it I wont be using it. Thanks for the info Zhakee -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2035 • Back to Topics

Message #2036 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Thomas Canty Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/1/07, 1:56am >Like buying an iPod.....It really intrigues me but guess what? >They tweaked the software so that you cant do anything with >the music you buy but send it to THEIR product to listen to >it. > >Correct me if Im wrong here folks. You're wrong, but not by very much. It won't give you the files in a format readable by another MP3 player, but you can write them out to an audio CD. Once you have them in that format, you can use any other CD ripping program to convert them to MP3 format. There's a third-party iTunes replacement front-end I've heard of that makes it much easier to deal with the iPod and convert files back and forth, but I haven't tried it myself. Right now, I can't even remember the name of it. -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ldphotography.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2036 • Back to Topics

Message #2037 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Thomas Canty Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/1/07, 1:59am For what it's worth, I have a friend who's been running Vista for about a year now, and he just raves about how wonderful it is. Personally, I won't be running it until I have to, next time I upgrade my computer. I'm very tempted to go to a Mac, but even if I did that, I'd still run Windows on it in Boot Camp. I have far too much PC software that I rely on to be Mac only. -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ldphotography.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2037 • Back to Topics

Message #2038 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Thomas Canty murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/2/07, 2:07pm >>Like buying an iPod.....It really intrigues me but guess >what? >>They tweaked the software so that you cant do anything with >>the music you buy but send it to THEIR product to listen to >>it. >> >>Correct me if Im wrong here folks. > >You're wrong, but not by very much. It won't give you the >files in a format readable by another MP3 player, but you can >write them out to an audio CD. Once you have them in that >format, you can use any other CD ripping program to convert >them to MP3 format. > >There's a third-party iTunes replacement front-end I've heard >of that makes it much easier to deal with the iPod and convert >files back and forth, but I haven't tried it myself. Right >now, I can't even remember the name of it. Have you forgotten who you are typing to? Anything that has more than two steps.....turn it on and turn it off is pretty much over my head. LOL Far as a front-end thats a whole different story....but thanks for the input Lonnie -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2038 • Back to Topics

Message #2039 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Thomas Canty murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/2/07, 2:10pm >For what it's worth, I have a friend who's been running Vista >for about a year now, and he just raves about how wonderful it >is. Personally, I won't be running it until I have to, next >time I upgrade my computer. I'm very tempted to go to a Mac, >but even if I did that, I'd still run Windows on it in Boot >Camp. I have far too much PC software that I rely on to be Mac >only. What a royal pain it is to have to deal with someone on a Mac. My gf has one because she is the senior graphic artist for a large nation wide corporation. Half the time I cant open what she sends me and she cant open what I send her. Ive heard if you work a lot with graphics the Mac is the only one to have but............ -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2039 • Back to Topics

Message #2040 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Rob Reed   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/2/07, 2:49pm >So do you have the Mac OS X? I got an Imac last April, and it is my computer of choice at home. So amazingly easy to use. There was definitely an adjustment period, but I love it so much for its ability to handle music, CD burning, DVD burning, DVD creation, music recording, podcast production, web browsing, word processing, digital photography, photograph sorting, photograph editing... just about everything. And, if a program crashes, it doesn't screw up the ENTIRE computer. If Vista makes the PC more Mac-friendly, I say: that's a good thing. BUT, I still prefer the Mac. -------------------------------------------------------- "Treat the Earth not as if it was given to you by your parents, but as if it was lent to you by your children." - Kenyan Proverb "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2040 • Back to Topics

Message #2041 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Rob Reed   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/2/07, 2:51pm >What a royal pain it is to have to deal with someone on a Mac. >My gf has one because she is the senior graphic artist for a >large nation wide corporation. Half the time I cant open what >she sends me and she cant open what I send her. It *USED* to be a pain. I port back and forth all of the time (work computer is a PC). No problems. With mp3s... with doc files in Microsoft Word... text files... anything. -------------------------------------------------------- "Treat the Earth not as if it was given to you by your parents, but as if it was lent to you by your children." - Kenyan Proverb "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2041 • Back to Topics

Message #2042 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Thomas Canty Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/3/07, 4:20am >Ive heard if you work a lot with graphics the Mac is the only >one to have but............ That used to be true, but it isn't necessarily so any more. -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ldphotography.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2042 • Back to Topics

Message #2043 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Rob Reed murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/3/07, 6:56am (Last Edited: 2/3/07, 7:03am) >So do you have the Mac OS X? > >I got an Imac last April, and it is my computer of choice at >home. So amazingly easy to use. There was definitely an >adjustment period, but I love it so much for its ability to >handle music, CD burning, DVD burning, DVD creation, music >recording, podcast production, web browsing, word processing, >digital photography, photograph sorting, photograph editing... >just about everything. > >And, if a program crashes, it doesn't screw up the ENTIRE >computer. > >If Vista makes the PC more Mac-friendly, I say: that's a good >thing. BUT, I still prefer the Mac. Do you have any trouble crossing over/sending stuff that isnt compatible with Windows? You answered my question in the next message. -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2043 • Back to Topics

Message #2044 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Rob Reed murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/3/07, 7:00am >>What a royal pain it is to have to deal with someone on a >Mac. >>My gf has one because she is the senior graphic artist for a >>large nation wide corporation. Half the time I cant open >what >>she sends me and she cant open what I send her. > >It *USED* to be a pain. I port back and forth all of the time >(work computer is a PC). No problems. With mp3s... with doc >files in Microsoft Word... text files... anything. > I have trouble opening her JPG files. Found the only program that will is Corel. For me its mostly email and being here so all the mp3, burning cds stuff isnt important. -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2044 • Back to Topics

Message #2045 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Thomas Canty murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/3/07, 7:03am >>Ive heard if you work a lot with graphics the Mac is the >only >>one to have but............ > >That used to be true, but it isn't necessarily so any more. In some circles you'd get jumped for that remark. LOL My gf just returned from a Mac convention in San Francisco where they introduced the iPhone. These are dyed in the wool Mac users. -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2045 • Back to Topics

Message #2046 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date murphy brown Thomas Canty Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/3/07, 12:11pm >In some circles you'd get jumped for that remark. Obviously we "hang" in VERY different circles... The Mac vs. PC arguments are so 1990's... -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ldphotography.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2046 • Back to Topics

Message #2048 of 2108  *NEW* To From Subject Date Thomas Canty murphy brown   Re: Pro and Cons of Vista 2/4/07, 8:09am >>In some circles you'd get jumped for that remark. > >Obviously we "hang" in VERY different circles... > >The Mac vs. PC arguments are so 1990's... I just sent her a wav file...and she cant open it. Far as hanging Im not going there! -------------------------------------------------------- "Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" -------------------------------------------------------- • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #2048 • Back to Topics

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