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2 hour hospital waiting room wait ruled a homicide
9/15/06, 12:13pm
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Interesting and sad...

WAUKEGAN, Illinois (AP) -- A coroner's jury has declared the death of a heart attack victim who spent almost two hours in a hospital waiting room to be a homicide.

Beatrice Vance, 49, died of a heart attack, but the jury at a coroner's inquest ruled Thursday that her death also was "a result of gross deviations from the standard of care that a reasonable person would have exercised in this situation."

A spokeswoman for Vista Medical Center in Waukegan, where Vance died July 29, declined to comment on the ruling.

Vance had waited almost two hours for a doctor to see her after complaining of classic heart attack symptoms -- nausea, shortness of breath and chest pains, Deputy Coroner Robert Barrett testified.

She was seen by a triage nurse about 15 minutes after she arrived, and the nurse classified her condition as "semi-emergent," Barrett said. He said Vance's daughter twice asked nurses after that when her mother would see a doctor.

When her name was finally called, a nurse found Vance slumped unconscious in a waiting room chair without a pulse. Barrett said. She was pronounced dead shortly afterward.

Barrett said he subpoenaed records after finding discrepancies in the hospital's version of events.

It wasn't immediately clear if the ruling would lead to criminal charges. Dan Shanes, a chief of felony review for the state attorney's office, said his division needed to review the case.

Vista Medical Center spokeswoman Cheryl Maynen said the hospital, just north of Chicago, cooperated with the coroner's investigation and had also investigated the incident. She declined to comment on the homicide ruling.

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Re: 2 hour hospital waiting room wait ruled a homicide
9/15/06, 2:17pm
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It's certainly gross negligence. I guess will see about the criminal penalties.

Vicki can back this up, but any ER will triage patients and if someone is displaying cardiac symptoms they will be a priority.

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9/15/06, 7:51pm
>Vicki can back this up, but any ER will triage patients and if
>someone is displaying cardiac symptoms they will be a
>priority.

I bruised a rib once. When I went to the ER at Saint Joe's and told them my chest hurt, I went right to the front of the line...

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9/16/06, 3:41pm
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>>Vicki can back this up, but any ER will triage patients and
>if
>>someone is displaying cardiac symptoms they will be a
>>priority.
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>I bruised a rib once. When I went to the ER at Saint Joe's and
>told them my chest hurt, I went right to the front of the
>line...

I don't doubt it...That's pretty standard care for chest pain.

Does anyone know if the ER in question had a bunch of even more serious trauma cases at the time? Like multiple gun shot victims or a bad traffic accident?

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9/19/06, 9:29am
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>Does anyone know if the ER in question had a bunch of even
>more serious trauma cases at the time? Like multiple gun shot
>victims or a bad traffic accident?

Didn't read anything on this, BUT... I doubt this would help them justify a TWO HOUR wait. Eek.

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9/19/06, 9:32am
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>>Does anyone know if the ER in question had a bunch of even
>>more serious trauma cases at the time? Like multiple gun
>shot
>>victims or a bad traffic accident?
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>Didn't read anything on this, BUT... I doubt this would help
>them justify a TWO HOUR wait. Eek.

Right. Obviously this should have been a priority case, and they should have been able to handle it, especially if this was a big-city ER.

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10/14/06, 1:32pm
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This is pretty scary, and I can't really understand why they wouldn't have taken her back for 2 hours....

BUT that is scary that they are charging homicide...if this really goes through I am seriously thinking of a career change.

ERs are not as clogged with traumas as they are with patients who have no doctor or insurance that are using the ER as their primary care provider. ER overcrowding is a huge problem.

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10/15/06, 10:25am
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>This is pretty scary, and I can't really understand why they
>wouldn't have taken her back for 2 hours....
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>BUT that is scary that they are charging homicide...if this
>really goes through I am seriously thinking of a career
>change.
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>ERs are not as clogged with traumas as they are with patients
>who have no doctor or insurance that are using the ER as their
>primary care provider. ER overcrowding is a huge problem.

Huge problem here in L.A. too. So many ER's have been forced to close.

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