>Well, yes I believe he was resisting arrest, but he is
>innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, so he
>allegedly was resisting arrest.
Total law school answer. There is our presumption of innoncence, and then there is basic common sense. It isn't an allegation when there is VIDEO.
We have audio tapes of OJ breaking into the hotel room and raising hell. Sure, he is presumed innocent under the law, but then there is the reality that he did it.
One can be found innocent LEGALLY, but that doesn't change a reality -- especially when it is on film.
>Of course there is background to anything a person does, but
>that still doesn't change that he was given a type of
>treatment that should not be tolerated.
I disagree. He was warned. He was told he would be tazed. He failed to stop his resistance. He was making the arrest difficult, so officers were completely in the right to make things EASIER for them to take him down... I have no problems with the officers' use of force here. No batons. No beating down. Instead of a beat down, they electrified his ass, and he knew it was coming, and he did nothing to change the officers' ultimate decision.
>In a perfect world, we should just listen to the authority and
>do what were told because that authority would never over step
>its bounds. But thats the problem. The authority always
>oversteps its bounds. Whether it is the government doing
>unconstitutional wiretapping, bringing our country into an
>unjust war or infringing on our rights to liberty, or our
>local law enforcements abuse of power, there are numerous
>situations that cause people to view these authority figures
This is a problem with your thinking. "THe authority always oversteps its bounds." ALWAYS?!?!?!?!?! Too many of our children are being taught this way of thinking, and this is why we have people resisting all authority, no matter what it is (INCLUDING parental authority).
>I use to be ignorant and said that there is no need for people
>like the police, but I know now that was childish. But I still
>believe that they have too much power, and the fact our
>legislators make laws to police our personal lives (the ones
>that say what a person can do to themselves, not others) makes
>peope trust authority even less.
What is your solution, here? Should the police have continued to politely ask this guy to leave the premises? They were doing just that, and he refused. Do they continue just asking politely? Just what power do you propose taking away from our police that they have "too much" of?
>His actions when being taken away were not acceptable. But
>neither were the officers. There were 4 cops there. One
>particularly big one. 4 cops with one kid (not on PCP). There
>are many tricks cops are taught in immobilizing their
>suspects. A tazer was unnecessary and excessive.
What, in your opinion, would have been necessary and not excessive? I am curious.
>Like the first amendment says, we all have a right to speak.
>(the freedom of that speech has been limited, but his
>questions did not go beyond those bonds)
>Not everyone has to agree with one another.
>I don't think any of us have that much of a disagreement. I
>think the only thing we disagree on is the excessive force.
Wait til next year where you'll cover thie one. The First Amendment controls us from governmental intrusion on our free speech. It does not prevent a private university like the University of Florida from restricting the free exercise of free speech.
Would you like a world, for instance, when I could be prevented by law from deleting a post here that I deemed offensive? This is my board. My private board. Fortunately, the first amendment does not affect my ability to curtail the free speech of others... and that is a GOOD thing.
Having Kerry speak at an event at a university is a privilege for the students. It is not a right. The university pays the money. The university does this to further education in our political process. When an idiot like this guy goes out of his way to hurt that motivation, I think he got off lightly.
Now, this asswipe is most certainly going to sue because of the press. I hope he gets countersued by the university for the cost of bringing Kerry to the school.
>Love the dialog, and its nice to get away from my studies and
>write about something more fun.
This will continue to be interesting for you. I think I told you that while in law school and while watching the news, films, tv shows, etc., you suddenly realize that it seems like almost everything has some relation to law.
I remember when I was in the midst of taking the bar. I only hung out with one good friend of mine, and we made a pact to not talk law or about the exam at the end of each day of testing.
So, that first night, we agree to get a pay for view movie. It was the one with Dustin Hoffman... I think called "OutBreak..." and we're trying to enjoy ourselves when suddenly there is this big constitutional issue as to whether it is legal to quarantine an entire city. Ugh. We couldn't get away from it.
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