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Remember Leave it to Beaver? Or Father Knows Best? Many of the "old" shows had different contracts for the actors than they have now. Many were paid only for the work, one time. Others would get maybe ONE rerun and after than, nothing.

These days, actors get a piece of everything that is made from their "product"..from T-shirts to DVDs.

The problem is that in the case of the old shows, those were made before ANY home recording was going on or even thought of.

So now there are those that "own" those older shows that are putting them out in DVD. But, the actors are a little pissed that their work is being sold and they get nothing!

What is your take on this? Should the actors get a piece of the "new" DVD market because it did not exist back when they made the shows? Or, does someone else now "own" that work and the heck with the actors? Would you be willing to pay a buck or two more for a copy of the first season of I Spy so the actors could get a piece of the action?

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1/16/06, 5:37am (Last Edited: 1/16/06, 5:39am)
It does seem unfair to the old actors & actresses. I believe they should get their cut, assuming they are still alive. I believe paying an extra dollar or two wouldn't be much of a problem, but I don't even think you necessarily have to do that. Just let the actors/actresses get their cut off the normal prices of DVD's & such. I don't believe the price of a DVD needs to be jacked up a dollar or two for the old timers to still get a piece of the action. The people who make, produce, & sale these DVD's should just make slightly less than they have been making. After all, it isn't really their work. If it weren't for the old time actors & these old shows, these people who make the DVD's would have nothing to make, except for whatever comes out in today's entertainment industry. On the flip side however, I guess if these DVD's weren't made, the old timers wouldn't get any kickbacks at all. Two ways to look at it I guess.

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1/16/06, 9:31am
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I think they should get something out of it. DVD's and videos didn't excist, so they were not considered at the time. Its something that the Screen Actor's Guild should look into.

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>I think they should get something out of it. DVD's and videos
>didn't excist, so they were not considered at the time. Its
>something that the Screen Actor's Guild should look into.

That is one of the top things on their agenda!


I think what gets me the most is, that some of these old actors can't do much else in their lives. I mean..they didn't make enough to "pay" for privacy but yet it must drive them nuts to not be able to go to a McDonald's and not get recognized.

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1/17/06, 9:24am
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>>I think they should get something out of it. DVD's and
>videos
>>didn't excist, so they were not considered at the time. Its
>>something that the Screen Actor's Guild should look into.
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>That is one of the top things on their agenda!
>
>
>I think what gets me the most is, that some of these old
>actors can't do much else in their lives. I mean..they didn't
>make enough to "pay" for privacy but yet it must drive them
>nuts to not be able to go to a McDonald's and not get
>recognized.
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>

That's good to hear. I know that the issue of residuals has been a hot topic for years. My parent's AFTRA contract limited the length of time they could be paid for repeated airings.

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1/18/06, 5:37am
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>>>I think they should get something out of it. DVD's and
>>videos
>>>didn't excist, so they were not considered at the time. Its
>>>something that the Screen Actor's Guild should look into.
>>
>>That is one of the top things on their agenda!
>>
>>
>>I think what gets me the most is, that some of these old
>>actors can't do much else in their lives. I mean..they
>didn't
>>make enough to "pay" for privacy but yet it must drive them
>>nuts to not be able to go to a McDonald's and not get
>>recognized.
>>
>>
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>That's good to hear. I know that the issue of residuals has
>been a hot topic for years. My parent's AFTRA contract limited
>the length of time they could be paid for repeated airings.
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I was friends with the Culp family. Robert Culp got paid for each original show and ONE rerun for I Spy. After that...nada.

I also have another friend (of my parents) that was a stunt man on Little House. By uttering just a few lines (thank you Michael), he was able to get residuals long after the show ended.


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1/18/06, 9:23am
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>I was friends with the Culp family. Robert Culp got paid for
>each original show and ONE rerun for I Spy. After
>that...nada.
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>I also have another friend (of my parents) that was a stunt
>man on Little House. By uttering just a few lines (thank you
>Michael), he was able to get residuals long after the show
>ended.

Interesting difference there. I wonder if that was due to the SAG or AFTRA contracts inforce at the time? Seems like your friend got the better deal.

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1/18/06, 9:15pm (Last Edited: 1/18/06, 9:19pm)
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I would definitely pay more (nominally) to help those "old" actors, because they afforded me many an innocent afternoon or evening. "Good old" days.

As far as the "new" actors of late, no I wouldn't. I feel they are extremely overpaid for some of the time mediocre work.

Are you sure there are no residual agreements with the "Leave it to Beaver" type shows. I think perhaps they are. Well, if not, feel there should be. I do know the actors in film,tv and commercials of the 60s for sure did get residual benefits.

I always love the fact that the actors have themselves set up a special retirement home for fellow "old" actors in which all housing, food and medical care are provided free. Nice.

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1/18/06, 9:16pm
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Just like every other thing...the raised prices would be taken out from the consumers.

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1/18/06, 9:18pm
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I think it would drive them "nuts" if they weren't recognised.

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1/19/06, 5:45am
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>>I was friends with the Culp family. Robert Culp got paid for
>>each original show and ONE rerun for I Spy. After
>>that...nada.
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>>I also have another friend (of my parents) that was a stunt
>>man on Little House. By uttering just a few lines (thank you
>>Michael), he was able to get residuals long after the show
>>ended.
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>Interesting difference there. I wonder if that was due to the
>SAG or AFTRA contracts inforce at the time? Seems like your
>friend got the better deal.
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You know what they say..timing is everything!

At the time that I Spy was filmed, THAT was the norm. In fact, some actors in some shows didn't even get the ONE rerun residual!

Shows how far SAG and AFTRA have come...

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1/19/06, 9:22am
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>You know what they say..timing is everything!
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>At the time that I Spy was filmed, THAT was the norm. In fact,
>some actors in some shows didn't even get the ONE rerun
>residual!
>
>Shows how far SAG and AFTRA have come...
>
>

Yep, but I hear that now the issue is up for grabs again, as it usually is in contract negotiations.

That's neat about knowing Robert Culp. He seems like he'd be an interesting guy to talk to. The last thing I've seen him on is playing Ray's father-in-law on Everybody Loves Raymond.

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1/20/06, 4:40am
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>>You know what they say..timing is everything!
>>
>>At the time that I Spy was filmed, THAT was the norm. In
>fact,
>>some actors in some shows didn't even get the ONE rerun
>>residual!
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>>Shows how far SAG and AFTRA have come...
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>Yep, but I hear that now the issue is up for grabs again, as
>it usually is in contract negotiations.
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>That's neat about knowing Robert Culp. He seems like he'd be
>an interesting guy to talk to. The last thing I've seen him on
>is playing Ray's father-in-law on Everybody Loves Raymond.

He'll probably get more for that Everybody Loves Raymond than he did for I Spy!

Actually, I was friends with his sons, mainly Josh. However, I recently tried to find my old friend Josh and hit a wall. I found an address but no phone number..so I contacted a mutual friend. However, he and Josh had some "difficulties" so I could not really ask him for the phone number. I DO have an address though so my next step is to write him the "old fashioned way".

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1/20/06, 9:26am (Last Edited: 1/20/06, 9:27am)
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>Actually, I was friends with his sons, mainly Josh. However, I
>recently tried to find my old friend Josh and hit a wall. I
>found an address but no phone number..so I contacted a mutual
>friend. However, he and Josh had some "difficulties" so I
>could not really ask him for the phone number. I DO have an
>address though so my next step is to write him the "old
>fashioned way".

That's neat. Yep, I'd try the old address or maybe give it a shot on
www.anywho.com That works too sometimes.

I only knew two somewhat famous people when I was a kid. One was the son of Alan Hale Jr. (Skipper on Gilligan's Island) and Jermaine Jackson. I don't have much desire to get back in touch with Jermaine

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1/21/06, 11:08am (Last Edited: 1/21/06, 12:56pm)
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>I only knew two somewhat famous people when I was a kid. One
>was the son of Alan Hale Jr. (Skipper on Gilligan's Island)
>and Jermaine Jackson. I don't have much desire to get back in
>touch with Jermaine
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Speaking on this topic Lar, I knew Fess Parker (Davy Crockett fame) Buddy Ebson (Beverly Hillbillies, etc.) Dale Robertson (Man from Wells Fargo and Button Willow, full length animation that my dad wrote, directed and produced on DVD now) cheap plug for Robbie's grandfather (my dad), Walt Disney was my great step-uncle, through marriage, Jimmy Dodd of the Mouseketeers and Roy Williams for those of you old enough to remember, met Paul Anka who wanted to date my step-sister, Cliff Edwards, voice of Jimmy Crickett, Mel Blanc, voice of bugs bunny, etc. June Foray, lots of animation voices, Buck Sureshot (dates me!) I was on his tv show with my dad who did a "chalk talk" which is cartooning, Tita Purdom, Edmund Purdom's x wife, Henry Wilcoxin of Cecil B. Demille's pictures, David Depatie and Fritz Freleng of Pink Panther and the like cartoon stuff, Leslie Ann Warren, Victor Mature, Michael Wilding (Elizabeth Taylor's x (my family bought his house once), Jack Carter, commedian, when I was a Notary Public, he was the first one I signed, Sammy Davis Jr. at Hamburger Hamlet, Sidney Miller, Donald O'Conner, bumped right into Frank Sinatra (a highlight in my life) in the basement of the Fountainbleau hotel in Florida, and even more. This was an exercise in memory for me, haven't ever thought about it at once. Talk about your tangents. Strange, this was all before I had the boys. Whew.

Recently sat next and spoke to Pamela Anderson and David Spade at the U2 concert at MGM Grand. Met Larry King and spoke to him about one of his shows at Nate an Als deli in Beverly Hills where he frequents daily with his croonies when in L.A., met and spoke with and actually sat next to Milton Berle shortly before he died at Nate and Als as well. Met the Twins that were on Little House on the Prarie when I got a puppy from their mom. Met "Mr. T" and spoke to him coming out of Solly's in Van Nuys. Actually went to "Don Drysdale's" funeral when a great friend of mine took my sons and I. Waited on Jerry Lewis and his crew in Florida years ago..He told his groupy to leave the tip...he didn't. Stiffed by Jerry Lewis...Well that brought me back to the topic of Tips anyway.


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1/21/06, 3:03pm
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Wow!!!!! Very cool!

I'm hanging with you from now on!

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1/21/06, 9:50pm
Holy Cow Ms Saundra!!! That is rubbing some elbows.

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1/23/06, 8:14am
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>Wow!!!!! Very cool!
>
>I'm hanging with you from now on!


Well comeon then! Guaranteed tons of fun! I have a great circle of friends that provide such fun and adventure.

Oh I also forgot to mention Mel Torme' I used to go to his daughter, Tammy's birthday parties. Went to school with Rori Flynn, Errol Flynn's daughter and Bonnie Rait's brother Steve too. (dad John Rait) Stuart Whitman's son was a pal of mine when I was a teenager as well. The names keep coming up. I guess cause my dad was in the industry we were around lots of celebs. Harry and Marilyn Lewis are personal friends of mine and they own or used to own all of the Hamburger Hamlets. Now they have Kate Mantelinis and Gardens on Glendon in Beverly Hills.

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1/23/06, 9:27am
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I didn't know the Lewis' owned Kate Mantelini's. Janice went to their Warner Center location for a business dinner and thought it was good.

Well, you got me beat. This is my list to the best of my recollection, but it pales in comparison to yours!

We lived next door to Sheriff John at one time. I went to elementary school with Dorian Hale, "Skipper" Alan Hale's son, junior high with Monty Westmore, the son and nephew of the Westmores of movie makeup fame and high school with Germaine Jackson. I also lived a few blocks away from Grampa Munster, Al Lewis. See, my list doesn't compare!

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1/24/06, 11:38am (Last Edited: 1/24/06, 11:40am)
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>I didn't know the Lewis' owned Kate Mantelini's. Janice went
>to their Warner Center location for a business dinner and
>thought it was good.


*Yes, they owned all of them. Matter of fact when I was 7 or 8 years old, my dad took me there often to the Hamlet on Sunset Boulevard and that is where we saw Sammy Davis Jr. dance on the tables. Funny at that time I remember Harry Lewis was the only "white" staff there. I guess their premise was only to hire black people to work, I never asked him about that fact, but I will now. He is pretty fragile now and Marilyn and their two sons do most of the business.

>junior high with Monty Westmore, the son and nephew of the
>Westmores of movie makeup fame


Amazing small world kinda thing...I dated Wally Westmore when I was 18 and didn't feel comfortable in the relationship, He was doing makeup on Star Wats at the time (tv series). He wanted to take me to the studio, but because I didn't want to see him any more, I said no. Sorry about that now 'cause he took another girl I knew to the studio and she met all the cast and he made her up as one of the Clingons.. Oh, I met Davey Jones of the Monkees when I was engaged to Martin Horsey (real name) Martin was the original Artful Dodger in the play, Oliver, in London. He also did tv shows and a couple of movies e.g. Single room furnished with Jayne Mansfield. She felt him up in one scene under the covers......... I met Perry Mason (Raymond Burr)and cast when Martin starred in a Mason tv show at the studio. Memmories...


and high school with Germaine


My son Michael went to Montclair Prep where the Jacksons went too. As well as Cybil Shepard's daughter and Tom Petty's daughter (maybe that was junior high) Saw James Earl Jones at a function there too. His daughter went there.
>Jackson.

This is fun...

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1/24/06, 12:49pm
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Yep, fun stuff.

I don't remember if Wally Westmore was Monty's dad or uncle. I think that was his uncle. That's neat.

Best lobster bisque anywhere...Hamburger Hamlet! I doubt even Bill Greenland can make it as good.

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1/24/06, 7:17pm
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>Yep, fun stuff.
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>I don't remember if Wally Westmore was Monty's dad or uncle. I
>think that was his uncle. That's neat.

He wasn't that old so I guess he was a son or such...He was too old for me though....


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>Best lobster bisque anywhere...Hamburger Hamlet! I doubt even
>Bill Greenland can make it as good.


Love that lobster bisque and "those potatoes"!!! yummmm

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1/25/06, 5:16am
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>Yep, fun stuff.
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>I don't remember if Wally Westmore was Monty's dad or uncle. I
>think that was his uncle. That's neat.
>
>Best lobster bisque anywhere...Hamburger Hamlet! I doubt even
>Bill Greenland can make it as good.

Wow! Thanks for the compliment Lar! Actually, the BEST lobster bisque I have had was at a little place called Rosie's in Cambria.

For the most part, even though I LOVE a good bisque, I stay away from the stuff...there is NOTHING good in that stuff!

And, for the record..I have never tried my hand at a bisque. I think when it would come time for the cream, my hand would shake and tremble!


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1/25/06, 9:42am
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>Wow! Thanks for the compliment Lar! Actually, the BEST
>lobster bisque I have had was at a little place called Rosie's
>in Cambria.
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>For the most part, even though I LOVE a good bisque, I stay
>away from the stuff...there is NOTHING good in that stuff!
>
>And, for the record..I have never tried my hand at a bisque. I
>think when it would come time for the cream, my hand would
>shake and tremble!
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LOL...well, maybe try it with low fat milk? Probably wouldn't be the same, but if it has enough booze in it, who cares!

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