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Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/18/03, 3:15pm
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...Kobe denies charges. Only admits to "adultery."

Here is his statement:

"I am innocent of the charges filed today. I did not assault the woman who is accusing me.

"I made the mistake of adultery. I have to answer to my wife and my God for my actions that night and I pray that both will forgive me.

"Nothing that happened June 30th was against the will of the woman who now falsely accuses me.

"These false allegations have hurt my family. I will fight against these allegations with all my strength. My wife is the strongest person I know. She is willing to stand by me despite my mistake. That means everything to me.

"I have so much to live for. And by that I do not mean the contracts, or the money, or the fame. I mean my family. I will fight for them.

"I appreciate all those who have supported me. Thank you for believing in me. My family and I are going to need your support and prayers now more than ever."

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Re: Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/19/03, 6:01pm
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Ok...purple or gold? What did you decide?

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7/20/03, 8:11am
I believe Kobe is innocent of the charges against him. I think he will get a slap on the wrist. That girl is just out to get a pot of gold! Kobe made a mistake, but I don't believe he sexually assaulted the girl or raped her. She is a legal consenting adult & she might have had some ill intent. Win-win situation for her, being that she's a 19 year old girl. She had a sexual encounter with a major superstar & she might get something more out of it. As for Kobe, 2 heads are not always better than 1, if you know what I mean! I can understand the temptation though of an attractive 19 or 20 year old girl. She was a cheerleader wasn't she? Kobe's only mistake in this entire issue was adultery & that's it!

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7/20/03, 12:55pm
I am not so quick to form an opinion. I don't follow basketball that much so I am not all of that familiar with Kobe. From what I understand of the situation residents of the town who heard about the incident said, "Kobe! No way! He wouldn't do such a thing." but when they heard who the victim was they said, "Oh my God! She wouldn't lie!"

All that I know is she says something happened and he admits that something happened. She says it was without consent and forced upon her. He says she had consented to the act. One thing for sure is that he is married and should not have done the act with consent or without. In my mind that fact in itself taints his character.

Deep in my heart I have problems with our justice system. I don't think that the ideas of the architects to the Constitution were for it to be the way it is. Plea bargian justice is not real justice. I know people who have suffered at the hands of an imperfect justice system. If Kobe is indeed innocent, I think he is already guilty in the eyes of the law. I don't know any solutions though nor do have any ideas for a better system.

It will be interesting to watch as this thing plays out. I think the legal proceedings will rival the O.J. trial. By the way none of us ever thought O.J. would ever murder his wife. Although he was found not guilty, I think we all kind of know that beyond a reasonable doubt he did the act.

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7/20/03, 1:53pm
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>Ok...purple or gold? What did you decide?

I'm starting to think that I'll pull out the black and blue version.

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7/20/03, 2:23pm
Well rumors are really flying now. Here is the latest.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0720/1583145.html

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7/20/03, 5:21pm
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I don't have an opinion yet either, like Robert. I am bothered by a few things.

Why do people rush to say no way, Kobe couldn't be guilty...the public only knows his superstar persona. He's an adulterer, that's for sure..so like Robert I think this speaks volumes for his character.

And why is what the girl says automatically discounted because he is a superstar and she just wanted money so she is making it all up? We don't know her either so how can anyone make that judgement? Superstars don't rape people? Oh wait...maybe they just murder people (O.J., Ray Caruth).

I doubt if the facts will ever come out. There may even be a settlement who knows. But I know there will be a lot of mud-slinging mostly in the direction of the girl. She has to know that is coming....and that would be enough to make anyone NEVER want to report it. But she is apparently willing to go through with it (maybe cause she believes it's whats right)...so what does that say about her character?

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Re: Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/20/03, 11:43pm
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I was completely pro-Kobe at the start when he came out with his (through a representative) "you guys know I wouldn't do that."

Of course, I interpreted this to mean that he wouldn't even have committed adultery in the first place.

I remember when he first decided to get married, I thought he was nuts. A young man of 21 or so with millions, meeting a girl who was still in high school, and deciding to get married to her within a year. But then I remembered the stories of fellow Laker teammates having problems with Kobe because he wouldn't hang out with them. He was more into staying with his family, playing video games, and practicing his game.

He appeared to be a man on a mission... a man of stellar morality and maturity for a guy his age. And, it was this appearance that led to his getting so many endorsement deals and my favorable opinion.

I believed that if anyone was capable of handling the pressures of gals coming onto him on the road, it was Kobe.

Kobe (and/or his reps) should have simply waited to comment. Because when the charges were announced... and then he stated that he had committed adultery... well, this was as unbelievable, to me, as his being guilty.

I posted these thoughts earlier, but had a computer crash... and Robert, interestingly enough, has added the link that I included in my closing (the alleged victim suffered a drug overdose two months earlier).

Nonetheless, Kobe's press conference -- added with his first response to the charges -- has definitely hurt my opinion of him... and, I am no longer of the belief that Kobe could not have done this.

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7/20/03, 11:29pm
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If the alleged victim was having financial troubles of some kind that led to her drug overdose, you can bet that this case will be plea-bargained (with probation as the likely punishment) or completely thrown out.

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7/21/03, 11:13pm
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It has now hit the news... but the news wouldn't publicize the link. For the curious (like myself), the site below has photos of Bryant's accuser.

http://binaryreport.com

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Re: Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/22/03, 9:52am
Assuming that she is telling is truth and things happened according to her version of the story, I feel terribly for her. Her privacy, her photos, her address, everything is revealed to the public on websites etc. Her character is comming under attack publicly. I hope she has the strength to persevere.

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7/22/03, 10:22am
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>Assuming that she is telling is truth and things happened
>according to her version of the story, I feel terribly for
>her. Her privacy, her photos, her address, everything is
>revealed to the public on websites etc. Her character is
>comming under attack publicly. I hope she has the strength to
>persevere.

I agree... I put up the link because I thought others might want to satisfy the same morbid curiosity.

After putting up the link, I scrolled down further and noticed that the site posted her full name, address, phone number, AND email address.

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7/22/03, 3:42pm

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>I agree... I put up the link because I thought others might
>want to satisfy the same morbid curiosity.
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>After putting up the link, I scrolled down further and noticed
>that the site posted her full name, address, phone number, AND
>email address.


I am glad you posted the link. I think it is horrible that someone would create a site such as this though.

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7/22/03, 4:25pm
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See this is exactly what I meant. You don't see anyone putting up a website with his address and phone number and a picture of his house. I can't believe that anyone could get away with this.

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Re: Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/23/03, 5:53am
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Re: Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/25/03, 8:30am
According to ESPN radio a nationally syndicated talk show host has broadcast the victim's name and some other info on his show. They did not disclose the host while I was listening (I was listening to the Dan Patrick show) because they did not want to promote his show and the way that they angled the story was that this talk show host broadcast the information for self-glorification. I tuned back in later in the day to ESPN radio and a different host was talking and Rush's name was mentioned(The context I heard then was, "Okay, we are not going to talk about Rush anymore"). So......, I am not sure but I think it was Rush Limbaugh that did this.

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Re: Kobe Bryant Charged With Sexual Assault
7/25/03, 11:12am
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His penis should be cut off...


AND, the 8 carat purple diamond ring he gave his wife that cost him $4 Million as a cry for forgiveness IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Not for me anyway. I'd take the ring, of course, (... what, are you nutts?! I'd clean out his wallet and his bank account!) but I would not be holding his hand during his press conference and would NOT show any pity. I'd make him suffer! CUT HIS PENIS OFF!

He never should have had "relations" with anybody anyway, except with his wife who just gave birth to his child. THE BASTARD!

I'm sure this wasn't the first time he ever committed aduletry. This was just the first time he got caught! THE BASTARD!

Guilty or not with sexual assault, he shouldn't have been unfaithful to his wife. HANG HIM!

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7/25/03, 2:33pm
Marie, you got to quit repressing your opinions. You need to speak up and tell us how you really feel.


BTW....I concur

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7/25/03, 3:52pm
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Hi Robert:

It was a local guy here in Los Angeles... Tom Leykis.

BTW, word is that the woman he mentioned (I believe) and the photos on the site I posted are of the wrong gal.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.
misidentified.ap/index.html

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7/25/03, 3:53pm
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My God... did I marry this woman?

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7/25/03, 6:39pm
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Wow...and I thought you were the quiet one of the family, Marie!
Although I loved what you wrote and couldn't have put it better myself.

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7/26/03, 12:45am
>Hi Robert:
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>It was a local guy here in Los Angeles... Tom Leykis.
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>BTW, word is that the woman he mentioned (I believe) and the
>photos on the site I posted are of the wrong gal.
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>http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.
misiden

>tified.ap/index.html

Glad to know who the real culprit was.

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7/26/03, 11:08am
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Hi, Rob,

"Be afraid, be very afraid"

Sounds like she and Janice would pull a "Lorena Bobbit" on either of us if we ever pulled a "Kobe"

-Larry

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7/26/03, 2:47pm
You might want to consider getting a steel plated cup that will cover your entire groin area Rob! Make sure it has a lock & key & make sure only you know where the key is at all times where Marie couldn't find it! I'm sure you are a faithful man & husband, but I can only imagine how tough it is for you to live out there in L.A. with so much to look at if you know what I'm saying. I guess you wouldn't need any Viagra out there. I always thought L.A. stood for Lushious Ass! PCB, where I live stands for Poor Country Bitches.

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7/26/03, 7:16pm
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I'm sure you are a faithful man
>& husband, but I can only imagine how tough it is for you to
>live out there in L.A. with so much to look at if you know
>what I'm saying. I guess you wouldn't need any Viagra out
>there. I always thought L.A. stood for Lushious Ass!

I thought and thought about what to say to this Dr., but I think I am going to hold my tongue.

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7/26/03, 11:04pm
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>My God... did I marry this woman?

Sorry, hun... I got too emotional. You're safe with me. I was just stating my opinion as to how stupid Kobe is for jeopardizing his marriage of only 2 years, his career, his fame/endorsements. That's a triple whammy! With you, you will only be jeopardizing your marriage and your sports cards collection.

Triple whammy = castration. Kobe is an idiot.

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7/26/03, 11:05pm
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>Wow...and I thought you were the quiet one of the family,
>Marie!
>Although I loved what you wrote and couldn't have put it
>better myself.

It's the quiet ones that you have to worry about.

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7/26/03, 11:09pm
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>You might want to consider getting a steel plated cup that
>will cover your entire groin area Rob! Make sure it has a lock
>& key & make sure only you know where the key is at all times
>where Marie couldn't find it!

Hey... you may make a lot of $$ if you invented something like that. Not a bad idea!

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7/27/03, 7:37pm
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MOMMAINLAW HERE....WHAT PENIS AND BASTARD OH MY GOODNESS HOW ROB MY SON HAS CORRUPTED MY SON....ROB COVER THOSE FAMILY JEWELS AND HIDE THE KNIVES,,,MOM

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7/27/03, 7:38pm
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I MEANT CORRUPTED MY DAUGHTERINLAW...MA BAD OOPS

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7/27/03, 7:44pm
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I firmly believe that Kobe is innocent until proven guilty/ He doesn't NEED to force anyone in his position as a celebrity and I think his wife is waiting until he signs his new contract and then he'll be gone. Discusting $4 million ring why not donate that money to the battered women or the hungry. Purple???who cares..She looks like a taker to me and she is too young to appreciate the humiliation factor I think

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7/28/03, 11:17am
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>Sorry, hun... I got too emotional. You're safe with me. I
>was just stating my opinion as to how stupid Kobe is for

No problem, hun... but, just so you know, I have now been researching and pricing some of the items as seen here:

http://www.tpe.com/~altarboy/male.htm

Dr. Rub will be pleased... Larry: perhaps we could get a discount if we buy together?

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7/28/03, 11:29am
I wonder if Kobe might start endorsing a line of these products. Perhaps marketed as the Kobe Bryant design or something. Maybe Nike will market one with the Nike swoosh on it.

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Chastity belts etc.
7/29/03, 7:12pm

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>http://www.tpe.com/~altarboy/male.htm
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Vicki, I'm curious, how many of these things come through the emergency room?

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>Vicki, I'm curious, how many of these things come through the
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Robert...never seen one of those...but we get lots of things put inside various body parts that you could never believe people would try.

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7/31/03, 12:05am
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I'm amazed about the different models and makes. It'll make it more difficult for Rob to choose.

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